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thermador
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Donations are now online

Post by thermador » Wed Jan 15, 2014 1:13 am

In January 2014, I finally got off my bum and set up donations for the site. 


Yes that's right, here is a PayPal button!






Donations so far (goal is $2500/year to cover hosting costs)



* the above stats were updated December 31, 2016.


 


Frequently Asked Questions:




  1. Why donations?



    Well, first off a lot of people have asked if they can donate.  Also, it costs a lot of money to run this site, and I've been paying out of my own pocket for the last two years (see below).  So I set up an LLC and so forth to handle donations.

     


  2. Why an LLC and not a non-profit entity (non-profit corporation, etc.)?



    I did consider this, but I went with an LLC because it provides better liability protection for me personally, as well as other users of the site.  Plus, it's a whole lot simpler to set up.  Also, the LLC gives the "operating at a loss" situation a bit of a silver lining.  If I don't raise enough money each year to cover the costs, with the LLC, I can write off the loss against my taxable income.

     


  3. But I thought you were rich or something?



    Not really that rich, actually - just generous.  And if I have the opportunity to cover some of the costs, then that's great.  Plus, it's a big bill to pay come November (see below). 

     


  4. Why donations and not ads?



    A couple of reasons.  1) Donations are optional, ads are mandatory; 2) A lot of people block ads; and 3) A lot of ads spy on the site and its users.  No thanks.

     


  5. Where does my money go?



    Payments go to a PayPal account for the LLC.  Account info and transactions in the account will be posted quarterly (no emails or names will be shared, just summary information) so you can see how much money I "make" on this and how much it offsets the costs.  You can see the results attached to this post, below.



    Where your money ultimately goes is for paying our service providers (Dreamhost and iflychat.com) for the web hosting and chat (respectively).  The server is quad-core, 4GB ram, 500GB HDD space, Raid 1, with unlimited bandwidth.  TTW's site averages about 10 GB of data transfer a DAY so unlimited bandwidth and a dedicated server is pretty much mandatory.  The chat is capped at 60 simultaneous users.

     


  6. What do I get for my donation?



    Nothing!  ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!  Well maybe an icon on your forum posts that shows you've donated.  That's about it though.  This is strictly out of the goodness of your heart - you can still download TTW, or use the site, or whatever without donating.

     

    Oh and if you do donate, send me a PM and I can add the little "Donor" icon to your forum post panel (see mine to the left).

     


  7. How much do I have to donate?



    At least one cent.  Otherwise, PayPal won't let you donate.  However, with a one cent donation, your money goes straight to paypal because of the fee.



    Note that I reserve the right to NOT add the "Donor" icon if you donate a microscopic amount, such as one cent.  A few people have donated this amount, and then PM'd me for their "Donor" badge.  Nice try.  Please donate $5 or more if you want the badge.

     


  8. I've been here for years helping out with development, and I don't feel like donating because I think I've put in my time.  Problem?



    That's fine; again, donations are totally optional.  If I find anyone pressuring anyone else into donating, I will rain fire on your asses. indecision

     


  9. I am rich and I want to donate $1,000 but I want to become a moderator, or some other such deal.  Will you do it?



    No.  You can donate as much as you want, but it won't get you anything extra. cheeky

     


  10. Can I get a refund on that donation?



    Yes, but if it turns into a big hassle for me I will just refund your money and then ban you from the site.



    Imagine taking your money and setting it on fire.  That is what you are doing.  If you don't want to do that, don't donate in the first place. wink

     


  11. Don't you share this server with other sites? Shouldn't they be donating too?



    Yep, and they are.  On average, TESrenewal.com (formerly morroblivion.com) and TaleOfTwoWastelands.com use up about 95% of the server's bandwidth.  It's a race!  Donate more than the other guys.  Or whatever.

     


  12. What happens if you get more than you need?  Will you stop taking donations?  Will you keep the money for yourself (you jerk)?



    If, by some miracle, people donate more than ~$2500/year, then the excess will stay in the bank account / PayPal account to be used for future server costs.  Or, if we just have a shit ton of money, the excess will be donated to a charity after a vote on what charity (or charities) it should go to.  Pie in the sky, but it's good to have a plan I guess.

     


  13. Will donating make TTW development happen any faster?



    NO!  Donating only really helps pay for our web hosting. If you can, WE WOULD MUCH RATHER HAVE YOU TO DONATE YOUR TIME - that is, learn to use the GECK and FNVedit and help with the project.  There are tons of tutorials out there, many of which are linked in the FAQ.  If you are a hard worker and self-directed learner (or interested in acquiring these valuable skills) and also interested in learning how to mod and develop video games, this is a great project to work on.

     


 


Here are some numbers:


2012 expenses:




  • 2012-07-24: $214.80 - Dreamhost Shared Hosting (paid ahead for 2 years of hosting)


  • 2012-09-11: $59.70 - Domain Registration (six domains for TTW, including taleoftwowastelands.com/.net/.org and twowastelands.com/.net/.org, at $9.95/year)


  • 2012-10-23: $6.66 - Dreamhost VPS trial / upgrade, for service through 2012-10-23


  • 2012-11-03: $19.00 - iflychat.com monthly chat service


  • 2012-11-06: $1859.00 - Dreamhost Dedicated Server (Blue Moon 4 Dedicated) - $169/mo, with 1 mo. free if billed annually (note that multiple sites share this server, but TTW.com uses about half the bandwidth)


  • 2012-11-08: -$183.27 - Refund on unused balance of Shared Hosting plan


  • 2012-12-02: $19.00 - iflychat.com monthly chat service


  • -


  • 2012 grand total: $1994.89 - paid by me


2013 expenses:




  • 2013-01-02: $19.00 - iflychat.com monthly chat service


  • 2013-02-02: $19.00 - iflychat.com monthly chat service


  • 2013-03-02: $19.00 - iflychat.com monthly chat service


  • 2013-04-02: $19.00 - iflychat.com monthly chat service


  • 2013-05-02: $19.00 - iflychat.com monthly chat service


  • 2013-06-02: $19.00 - iflychat.com monthly chat service


  • 2013-07-03: $19.00 - iflychat.com monthly chat service


  • 2013-08-02: $19.00 - iflychat.com monthly chat service


  • 2013-09-02: $19.00 - iflychat.com monthly chat service


  • 2013-09-10: $135.40 - Domain Registration (six domains for TTW, including taleoftwowastelands.com/.net/.org and twowastelands.com/.net/.org, at $11.95 for .com and .net, and $9.95 for the two .org domains), all two year renewals


  • 2013-10-02: $19.00 - iflychat.com monthly chat service


  • 2013-11-03: $19.00 - iflychat.com monthly chat service


  • 2013-11-06: $1859.00 - Dreamhost Dedicated Server (Blue Moon 4 Dedicated) - $169/mo, with 1 mo. free if billed annually (note that multiple sites share this server, but TTW.com uses about half the bandwidth)


  • 2013-12-02: $19.00 - iflychat.com monthly chat service


  • -


  • 2013 grand total: $2222.40 - paid by me


2014 expenses:




  • 2014-01-02: $19.00 - iflychat.com monthly chat service


  • 2014-02-02: $19.00 - iflychat.com monthly chat service


  • 2014-03-02: $19.00 - iflychat.com monthly chat service


  • 2014-04-02: $19.00 - iflychat.com monthly chat service


  • 2014-05-02: $19.00 - iflychat.com monthly chat service


  • 2014-06-02: $19.00 - iflychat.com monthly chat service


  • 2014-07-02: $19.00 - iflychat.com monthly chat service


  • 2014-07-22: $15.00 - SSL certificate


  • 2014-08-02: $19.00 - iflychat.com monthly chat service


  • 2014-09-02: $19.00 - iflychat.com monthly chat service


  • 2014-10-02: $19.00 - iflychat.com monthly chat service


  • 2014-11-02: $19.00 - iflychat.com monthly chat service


  • 2014-12-02: $19.00 - iflychat.com monthly chat service


  • -


  • 2014 misc bills: $243 total paid by me - consider this my "donation" to support the site


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  • 2014-11-13: $1859.00 - Dreamhost Dedicated Server (Blue Moon 4 Dedicated) - $169/mo, with 1 mo. free if billed annually (note that multiple sites share this server, but TTW.com uses about half the bandwidth)


  • -


  • 2014 hosting: $1859.00 - paid by the donors - thank you!!!


  • -


  • 2014 grand total = $2102


2015 expenses:




  • 2015-01-02: $19.00 - iflychat.com monthly chat service


  • 2015-02-02: $19.00 - iflychat.com monthly chat service


  • 2015-03-02: $19.00 - iflychat.com monthly chat service


  • 2015-04-02: $19.00 - iflychat.com monthly chat service


  • 2015-05-02: $19.00 - iflychat.com monthly chat service


  • 2015-06-02: $19.00 - iflychat.com monthly chat service


  • 2015-07-02: $19.00 - iflychat.com monthly chat service


  • 2015-07-16: $15.00 - SSL certificate


  • 2015-08-02: $19.00 - iflychat.com monthly chat service


  • 2015-08-11: $135.40 - Domain Registration (six domains for TTW, including taleoftwowastelands.com/.net/.org and twowastelands.com/.net/.org, at $11.95 for .com and .net, and $9.95 for the two .org domains), all two year renewals


  • 2015-09-02: $19.00 - iflychat.com monthly chat service


  • 2015-10-02: $19.00 - iflychat.com monthly chat service


  • 2015-11-02: $19.00 - iflychat.com monthly chat service


  • 2015-12-02: $19.00 - iflychat.com monthly chat service


  • -


  • 2015 misc bills: $378.40 total paid by me - consider this my "donation" to support the site

    (Note that this doesn't include state and federal taxes on donations that occurred in 2014, which I paid myself in 2015. I estimate these to be around $1000 total, or about $500 each, shared between the two sites, but it is difficult to get an exact figure as I am the sole member of the LLC and therefore the taxable income "flows through" and is merged with my personal income filing - turbotax takes care of the rest.  So, I'm paying the taxes myself for two reasons: so everything is nice and legal, and so donations stay in PayPal instead of being used to pay taxes)


  • -


  • 2015-11-24: $1859.00 - Dreamhost Dedicated Server (Blue Moon 4 Dedicated) - $169/mo, with 1 mo. free if billed annually (note that multiple sites share this server, but TTW.com uses about half the bandwidth)


  • -


  • 2015 hosting: $1859.00 - paid by the donors - thank you!!!


  • -


  • 2015 grand total: $2237.40


2015 expenses:




  • 2016-01-02: $19.00 - iflychat.com monthly chat service


  • 2016-02-02: $19.00 - iflychat.com monthly chat service


  • 2016-03-02: $19.00 - iflychat.com monthly chat service


  • 2016-04-02: $19.00 - iflychat.com monthly chat service


  • 2016-05-02: $19.00 - iflychat.com monthly chat service


  • 2016-06-02: $19.00 - iflychat.com monthly chat service


  • 2016-07-02: $19.00 - iflychat.com monthly chat service


  • 2016-07-17: $15.00 - SSL certificate


  • 2016-08-02: $19.00 - iflychat.com monthly chat service


  • 2016-08-11: $0.00 - Domain Registration - paid for 2-year renewals back in 2015!


  • 2016-09-02: $19.00 - iflychat.com monthly chat service


  • -


  • 2015 misc bills: $186.00 total paid by me - consider this my "donation" to support the site

    (Note that this doesn't include state and federal taxes on donations that occurred in 2015, which I paid myself in 2016. I estimate these to be around $500 total, or about $250 each, shared between the two sites, but it is difficult to get an exact figure as I am the sole member of the LLC and therefore the taxable income "flows through" and is merged with my personal income filing - turbotax takes care of the rest.  So, I'm paying the taxes myself for two reasons: so everything is nice and legal, and so donations stay in PayPal instead of being used to pay taxes)


  • -


  • 2016-11-24: $1859.00 - Dreamhost Dedicated Server (Blue Moon 4 Dedicated) - $169/mo, with 1 mo. free if billed annually (note that multiple sites share this server, but TTW.com uses about half the bandwidth)


  • -


  • 2016 hosting: $1859.00 - paid by the donors - thank you!!!


  • -


  • 2015 grand total: $2045.00




 


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chucksteel
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This is a good thing and you

Post by chucksteel » Wed Jan 15, 2014 3:15 am

This is a good thing and you deserve to get something back for all your efforts Therm. Once I get out of the hole I'm in I will kick in and I'm sorry but I expect to be made a moderator! If not Admin! laugh



manos
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Joined: Sat Nov 03, 2012 3:45 pm

(joker: on) Can i be the

Post by manos » Wed Jan 15, 2014 8:52 pm

(joker: on) Can i be the president of the United Wastelands if i give you something?????  :)  (joker: off)


 


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Thasic
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I'm new to the site and so

Post by Thasic » Thu Jan 23, 2014 1:44 am

I'm new to the site and so far i really like the work you've done. I'm setting up a new playthrough of FO3 and TTW is definitely going to be the way I go. I made a donation, put my money where my mouth is type of thing. It ain't much considering how much of your own cash you put into this, but it's something.


Deficio es non en bene

TJ
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Every little bit helps.

Post by TJ » Thu Jan 23, 2014 2:05 pm

Every little bit helps.


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theimmersion
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So whats the average amount

Post by theimmersion » Thu Jan 23, 2014 4:56 pm

So whats the average amount people donate? This would be my first donation online (not counting charity). Also,if i donate,i want to not have the donor logo!
X)

TJ
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If you donate, and don't

Post by TJ » Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:02 pm

If you donate, and don't bother putting your TTW/ Morro username in the 'username' field on the donation page and also don't send therm a PM he'd have no way of knowing what user the donation came from. I'm sure he'd rather you do both and in the PM request to not have the donor badge added.


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thermador
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Indeed, there are already a

Post by thermador » Fri Jan 24, 2014 4:06 am

Indeed, there are already a bunch of unidentified donors.  I even search each email address to see if it matches with a user on the site.  Usually it doesn't.  :shrug:



theimmersion
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Gonna follow your advice TJ

Post by theimmersion » Fri Jan 24, 2014 12:47 pm

Gonna follow your advice TJ as usual,but im still in conflict about the amount. Im new to those things. :-( lol. I got one karma,noticed just now. Yey!
X)

TJ
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thermador wrote:Indeed, there

Post by TJ » Fri Jan 24, 2014 2:08 pm

[quote=thermador]Indeed, there are already a bunch of unidentified donors.  I even search each email address to see if it matches with a user on the site.  Usually it doesn't.  :shrug:[/quote]


My paypal's in my wife's name, but I let you know when I donated. smiley


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