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Upon Launching New Vegas, I have no Menu, game freezes

Hello, thanks for taking the time to read this.

I just installed A Tale of Two Wastelands, and upon starting New Vegas(with all the ESMs in the right order, all enabled), my game has no arrow, no menu, nor the Tale of Two Wastelands Menu Art in the background. Instead, I get the Fallout 3 main theme playing, and what is otherwise a normal boot up of New Vegas(same background art) but as I said no user interface. Any ideas as to what's going on? Removing A Tale of Two Wastelands and all its files restores my New Vegas to working condition, so I don't believe it's an issue with my base game files. Also, I disabled all mods(aside from A Tale of Two Wastelands) when launching, so it's not an incompatibility issue.

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Something didn't patch

Something didn't patch properly, did you get any errors on running the installer? If you didn't get any errors, try running it again and tell it to install TTW to the desktop.

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No, I didn't get any errors

No, I didn't get any errors in the installer. I did also try installing to my desktop already, that's how I made the last installation. I'll try it again though.

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You might need to make a

You might need to make a completely clean installation of FNV then

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No, I didn't get any errors

Woops, made a double post.

 

In any case, I'll give that a try later. Thanks for your help.

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Well, I tried a fresh install

Well, I tried a fresh install of New Vegas. No dice. Game still has the same issue when A tale of Two Wastelands is installed.

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I had the same problem. I

I had the same problem. I literally had to sit at the main menu for about 10 minutes for the stuff to pop up. I have to do this every time the game crashes actually, which kind of sucks.

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For all those that are having

For all those that are having slow loading times, I suggest using this mod: http://newvegas.nexusmods.com/mods/46074

It re-compresses all of the textures and reduces the amount of data the game has to load. The quality of the texture will be the same as it they were before, while significantly reducing load time! 

This program takes a long time to run so don't worry if it looks like it isn't doing anything.

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@Computerrock1  I thought

@Computerrock1  I thought about using this, but I'm nervious about not being able to undo it.

Also, how benificial is it to compress the .bsa files?  

 

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I haven't attempted to

I haven't attempted to compress the .bsa, if you compress the files and you feel the need to undo it, then reinstall FO3 and FNV as well as TTW and you should be fine. Also any mods that utilize outside textures, it's a lot to redo, but the truth is, the visual impact is unnoticeable while the performance increase is very noticeable.

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Im getting this exact error,

Im getting this exact error, what appears to be normal bootup leading to indefinite main menu pic with no menu options or mouse, currently trying a fresh install to desktop instead of the nv directory and the texture compressor in the link, already tried just waiting like an aboave post mentioned, nothing after at least 20 mins, and with my rig it should load almost instantly.

 

*update* clean install of EVERYTHING, new vegas, fallout 3, and ttw, full patched and everyting, absolutely no mods except this, problem persists, still boots up normally heads to the main menu and hangs, no newgame/load/option buttons just pic and music, forever. no errors during install, tried directly into the nv directory and copy paste form desktop install, any ideas?

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Have you tried revalidating

Have you tried revalidating the game files in STEAM?  It may be an .ini file issue.

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yea i did, new vegas runs

yea i did, new vegas runs just fine as soon as i disable the fallout 3 related plugins fyi.

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OK.  When you did a clean

OK.  When you did a clean install, did you clean out your "My Games" folder?  There may be something in there that is messing things up. 

Try moving everything out of there, including your old savegames, to another location so that the folder \My Documents\My Games\Fallout New Vegas\ is empty.

Also, can you post which additional TTW .esp files you are using (if any).  You only really need the TTW.esm file for things to work - it may be one of the .esp files that is causing the problem.

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All I can suggest is double

All I can suggest is double/triple/quadruple checking your load order against the Alpha page. TTW is incredibly picky about load order.

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tried verifying cache again,

tried verifying cache again, cleared out the my games folder, positive the load order was right, still nothing.

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A lot of other people have

A lot of other people have had this problem, according to Google searches anyway.  It happens to some people, with a variety of mods.  One idea:

No main menu is usually an orphaned record. A record in a plugin whose formid does not exist in its master anymore or has been repurposed and is of a different formtype now. You are probably looking for an outdated compatibility patch.

Dunno if that is true though.

Also, one person said that starting FNV's default graphics config utility, and then setting everything to default, fixed it.  Apparently the antialiasing settings on some cards cause the menus to disappear.

Other people have said OWB causes this issue, and moving OWB up higher in the load order will fix it.

And yet other people say it is caused by an improper installation of Darnified UI, so that could be it.

Are you using any of the TTW ESP files?  If you are, try disabling them.

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dont use darnified,

dont use darnified, antiailiasing is off by default cause i run an enb, i think im going to bite the bullet on this one for now and see if the mod stabilizes in the near future before trying to install it again.

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Well, you never responded

Well, you never responded about trying the other fixes I mentioned:

  • disabling TTW .esp files
  • changing OWB in the load order
  • resetting graphics to default in the config tool

Based on the fact that lots of people have this problem with other mods, and not just TTW, and only two people have had the disappearing menus with TTW despite hundreds of downloads, odds are that it's not caused by TTW.  There is some problem with your installation, hardware, settings etc. unfortunately. 

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yea, im not ignorant enough

yea, im not ignorant enough to think its ttw, i know its something on my end, just not worth all the trouble its giving me to combine 2 games i already have, ill just try again once ina while when its updated in the future.

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Just want to confirm this

Just want to confirm this issue. (And maybe a fix)

Things I have tried:

-Originally assumed that it was because I had cleaned the FO3 DLCs (Restored their backups and reinstalled TTW. No change)

-Reset config using the FONV launcher. No change.

-Reinstalling FO3 and FONV. No change

-After having reinstalled both games and TTW, validated files through steam. No change.

-Moved Old World Blues to just before TTW in the load order AND then moved it to just AFTER FO3.esm AND then to just BEFORE FO3.esm. No Change

-And finally, Old Faithful, System Restart. SUCCESS! I have a menu! Now, to clarify, my current load order

Also, I have started to edit the ini files with fonv configator and so far no problems.

That said, I haven't actually PLAYED yet, so this could all be fart dust in the end.

Also, what is the point of the fallout_default.ini that is spawned by the ttw installer?

Read before asking for help. Please. >>>>>> http://taleoftwowastelands.com/content/read-asking-help

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The preorder weapons should

The preorder weapons should be caravan pack, classic pack, mercenary pack, tribal pack, other than that you are all set.

The Fallout_default.ini contains a change that can help the white-face glitch. It manually changes only the applicable line and is otherwise identical to any other tweaks you may have made. This line is also changed in your Fallout.ini found in "my games"

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tried all that, still no menu

tried all that, still no menu, except what do you mean by system restart, just restarting your computer?

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I had this problem, I found

I had this problem, I found out it was caused by all of the FO3 mods that I didn't add NV as a master to, and a few other FO3 mods that seem to just be incompatible with TTW... like Female Enclave Soldiers for some odd reason.

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I was having the same issue

I was having the same issue as the OP, but the fault was mine. Thought I'd add this incase someone is repeating my error.

I was mistakenly "adding master" to FO3 mods to include FalloutNV.esm. End result, no menu.

As soon as I got wise to my error, which is not to "add master", but to "change master" from Fallout.esm to FalloutNV.esm, my menu problem got solved instantly.

Hope this helps.

And thanks you guys for such amazing work.

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Hey, whenever I try to run

Hey, whenever I try to run TTW, the game just freezes when I get to the main menu (though the menu options aren't visible, there's just the NCR Veteran Ranger background and nothing else)

The load order is correct, I've reinstalled like a thousand times while running as admin. I also have the redistributable and .net package stuffs installed so that can't be the problem.

I don't have any other mods checked in FOMM, even the optional files. Any idea why the game's crashing? I don't feel like doing stupid stuff like validating the files and reinstalling completely because it likely will not work.

I'm also running the game through FNV4GB.

 

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I've had this happen before,

I've had this happen before, the cause seems to be a bad reference/orphaned record within a mod. The first time, the cause was the FO3 Brisa mod and the second was just a case of a badly installed mod. Unless you have a very small load order, in which case you could try FNVEdit to find the bad record, I'd recommend disabling your mods and then re-enabling in small groups until you encounter that problem again. From there, you should be able to find the mod in question. It's a pain but you'll be able to find the cause.

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I just said I don't have any

I just said I don't have any mods active.

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Moved and combined threads.

Moved and combined threads.

Torrential defect, the disappearing menu is a vanilla bug that can be caused by a variety of issues, most of which are detailed in the posts above.  Often it is that a mod is missing a master, or a mod has a master assigned to it that it shouldn't have.  See prabal's post for example.

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I have said probably 2 times

I have said probably 2 times now that I'm not using any mods right now, spare for TTW and the stuff it requires.

I'm going to try the OWB trick tomorrow, though.

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Well if you don't have mods

Well if you don't have mods at the moment did you had mods before installing TTW? Some mods leave stuff behind or change things (like files and settings, etc) that might still affect the game even if they are not in use anymore. Also validating the files through Steam will not reinstall the game it usually doesn't even take more than a couple of minutes if there is no file to be replaced, if there are any files than it will need to download them and that takes a bit longer depending on the internet speed but still it's advisable if there are any that were changed or are corrupt.

Also I do understand not wanting to reinstall the game(s) and TTW again, it does take ages to do it all specially if you don't have a hard copy of the games and have to download them each time you want to install, but sometimes that is the only option that will work (I know because in one month I had to install both games around 5 times and TTW over 10 times) my advice if you will do it in the future, after uninstalling the game delete it's folder on steam and on your "my games" one in your documents before installing the game again, that way you will have a real unaltered game installation, then you should copy the game folder from steam and put it somewhere else for safe keeping, that way next time you need to install the game all you have to do is after uninstalling it and deleting the folders again, copy your backup (or safe keeping as I called it before ) folder and put it back in the steam games one and no more need to go through the installation process again.

Sorry about the wall of text and about not giving a real answer for the problem, and I am not trying to sound like I am a grumpy old guy or something, it's just some information to leave around here .

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Wait, I think I forgot to

Wait, I think I forgot to turn off some fomod packages.

I'll try a clean installation of TTW in a separate folder, and see if it'll work.

EDIT: Steam is throwing a fit about "missing app configuration" whenever I try to reinstall New Vegas. Good thing I just renamed the original new vegas folder.

EDIT2: Alright, screw this shit. Installing TTW in a clean New Vegas didn't work, and the OWB trick didn't work. I'll check this mod out later when it's less buggy.

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Wait, I got it fixed. I just

Wait, I got it fixed. I just had to wait for some time before the options on the main menu would pop-up. To everyone: if you just get the ncr veteran ranger background at first, and nothing else, wait for a bit. Don't flip your shit immediately.

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How long did you have to wait

How long did you have to wait, and do you have any texture overhauls installed? I have Poco Bueno and NMC for FNV and NMC for FO3. I'm not sure if it matters for FO3 or not, but I've waited at least twenty minutes for the game to start after installing it, and I still had no menu. Mass Effect 2&3 take a few extra minutes to start up with some hi-res textures, but I don't think FNV should take more than ten minutes to start up.

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For me it took like 20

For me it took like 20 seconds after I messed around with the load order and stuff

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Post your load order maybe

Post your load order maybe its mod conflicts.

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Hello, My load order is this

Hello, My load order is this

 

[ ]= off 
[X]= on

pls help, i have no menu

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All I can think is delete

All I can think is delete everything FNV related and reinstall. This is an intermittent issue that we can't narrow down to a single cause yet. Reinstall seems to help. Make sure you also delete .ini files in My Documents\My Games\FalloutNV when you reinstall

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Open FOMM and see which

Open FOMM and see which masters use your mods... I had that problem too, and the problem was that some DLCs has Fallout3.esm as master... due to incompatibility with TTW and other language versions...

Fallout3.esm must have FalloutNV.esm as master too...

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I've had this problem as well

I've had this problem as well. The game would load but stop where it says Bethesda and continues to play music. I've decided to delete everything FNV related and install a clean version and try it then. Hopefully it works and then I can install the least amount of mods!

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It worked the first time now

It worked the first time now it has the same problem as before!

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Same issue, its sad because

Same issue, its sad because what I could play was phenominal in how it emulated Fallout 3 in NV. It worked a few times:

 

I have not touched any hardware settings besides screen resolution since I installed. Here is a list of hardware I am using that may be responsible for this:

 

I've tried it with and without loading the 4GB RAM Loader.

Last time I quit by pressing 'Exit Game' in the menu. The game pretty much exploded instead of closing properly.

Fallout 3, Fallout: New Vegas, and The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim all work well on my hardware. I seek only to help nail down a common problem with this bug so clean installations every time aren't necessary.

File Attachments: 

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Is there no fix for this? I

Is there no fix for this? I've literally tried every solution on here to no avail.

 

I did however get an error about the fallout_prefs.ini not being changed because it was already in use. Could that have something to do with it? What exactly is added/changed to it?

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So I tried disabling

So I tried disabling everything TTW related and run Fallout New Vegas on its own and the no menu bug is still occurring. Now what?

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If it's happening without TTW

If it's happening without TTW then it's something wrong with your install. REinstall is now what.

"In the world of entertainment, there are very few things as good..... as Fallout."

"... That's why we're going out of our way to make our game less Fallout."

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I assume that you installed

I assume that you installed TTW over top of a modded FNV?

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Yes, quite heavily. I already

Yes, quite heavily. I already reinstalled NV, so should I just continue to attempt to install TTW with a clean NV and Fallout 3? I can post the mods I was using with NV if that would be of any use.

I also want to apologize if my last post came off a bit douchebaggy-ish. I was slightly irritated attempting to get the mod to function.

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Alright so I'm adding my case

Alright so I'm adding my case to this thread, which at the time of posting I have solved, but my case was little unqie I think so I'm not sure if it'll help someone else, but here I go.

So i've used TTW before, an early Alpha version, so I'm comfortable modding it as I've found it's pretty stable. I was going through my installs adding in  all my essentials. Once I finished and I booted it up and it worked. After that I began to add some lesser essentials like weapon mods and such. Then I created a merged patch and did a masterupdate and this is where it went wrong. When I launched my game I got the no menu's bug that lasted forever until I closed it.

Now I don't know how stable FNVedit is with TTW or if it's even a compatibilty issue at all between the two. I began to uncheck some heavier mods in the load order to no success. Finally on a whim I unchecked all of Mill's weapons mods and suddenly, the game worked. Turns out it was one of his mods in particular that was causing it, the homemade smg, whenever this .esp is checked, I get no menu's, when its unchecked, the game works and has menus. I don't think it's inherently that mods fault, I think maybe the masterupdate/merged patch did something to it that caused one of those weird bad/orphaned files conflict that results in the no menu's bug.

I will say that before I installed those weapon mods I created a Merged Patch and the game ran fine with it, so I know you can use one with TTW.

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Always check esps in Wrye

Always check esps in Wrye Bash to see how the masters look. FNVEdit does it too but I like Wrye coz of all the pretty colours.

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So I've been having the game

So I've been having the game Freeze after about a minute on the screen with the veteran ranger as well when I try launching the game as a fresh install with ONLY ttw installed. So afterwards I tried launching the game with FNVEdit and what it's showing isn't a script error or any conflicts but it's taking a little over two minutes for it to "Build Reference Info" for the Fallout3.esm. Any ideas how to fix said problem? Also I tried using the FNV Texture Optimizer and I keep getting "out of memory" errors when trying to compress the textures in the bsa files.

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FalloutNV.esm

Fresh install of both games (steam ultimate nv and steam goty fo3), and only installed TTW main mod (as above), but getting the freeze on start / no start menu thing.  So far, I have tried using NMM, FOMM (with the new exe), and manual install, same results across the board.  New vegas runs fine without TTW installed.  I got no errors while running the installer.  Waiting did nothing.   At this point i'm hesitant to even ask for a next step, because I feel like anything relatively easy is already in this thread, but any ideas?  Thanks.

 

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