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Fallout 4 System Requirements and PC Builds

UPDATE: Official Requirements/Recommendations are out:

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Minimum
Windows 7/8/10 (64-bit OS required)
Intel Core i5-2300 2.8 GHz/AMD Phenom II X4 945 3.0 GHz or equivalent
8 GB RAM
30 GB free HDD space
NVIDIA GTX 550 Ti 2GB/AMD Radeon HD 7870 2GB or equivalent

Recommended
Windows 7/8/10 (64-bit OS required)
Intel Core i7 4790 3.6 GHz/AMD FX-9590 4.7 GHz or equivalent
8 GB RAM
30 GB free HDD space
NVIDIA GTX 780 3GB/AMD Radeon R9 290X 4GB or equivalent

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Very little information about system requirements so far.  But time for some discussion and conjecture, since we're all thinking about upgrading our PCs ahead of the launch, which is only about 10? weeks away.

One thing many people have pointed to are the very console-like minimum specs of The Witcher 3 on PC:

  • CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K 3.3GHz - or - AMD Phenom II X4 940
  • GPU: Nvidia GeForce GTX 660 - or - AMD Radeon HD 7870
  • RAM: 6 GB

Another way to look at it would be the specs of the Playstation 4:

  • CPU: two x86-64 AMD Jaguar 4-core processors - eight cores at 1.6 GHz each - two L2 caches of 2MB each
  • GPU: 800mhz, 1842 GFLOPS - a customized AMD 7870 GPU
  • RAM: 8 GB GDDR5 - 5500mhz

Or the specs of the Xbox One:

  • CPU: two x86-64 AMD Jaguar 4-core processors - eight cores at 1.75 GHz each - two L2 caches of 2MB each
  • GPU: 853mhz, 1310 GFLOPS - a customized AMD 7790 GPU
  • RAM: 8 GB DDR3 - 2133mhz

So it looks like to have at least a console-quality experience, you're going to want an AMD 7870 / GTX 660 card.

For RAM, given the shared RAM architecture of the consoles, a lot of Video RAM is probably a good idea.  4GB+ cards will probably have a significant advantage over the same card with 1GB-2GB VRAM.  Total system RAM may be less important than video RAM.

As far as CPU's, the more cores the better.  A fast dual core would probably be worse than a slower quad core (assuming Beth doesn't change the engine substantially from the console optimization settings).

Thoughts?  Builds?  Planned upgrades?  Graphics cards?

 

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I think I am good with mine

I think I am good with mine but if I do encounter slowness like I did for SWTOR Beta, I'll upgrade.  I am above Witcher's minimum and that looks like an amazing game.

"TTW is the Fallout version of The One Ring. The One Ring to rule them all."

"Si vis pacem, para bellum!"

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Here is the build I picked

Here is the build I picked out when I was planning for Fallout 4. I don't have all of the parts yet, but I do have the motherboard, cpu, and ram. The next thing on the agenda is the graphics card, and the fan controller.

My old computer didn't even have the chops to run New Vegas well, but the FX-6300 is doing pretty good. Having more than 2gb of RAM is also a very freeing feeling. Unfortunately, my new bottleneck is my GPU, which runs really hot for some reason. I currently have a...Radeon HD 4670 I think? I'm replacing it soon enough, so whatever, but the thing tends to overheat and crash a lot.

Regarding system requirements, I'm going to recommend using the Xbone's stats as a basis, due to Bethesda's close relationship with Microsoft. They've talked about Fallout 4 on the xbox one a lot, so it seems like the primary platform to me.

And like, other stuff, I guess.

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I just need to upgrade my

I just need to upgrade my video card, hoping to do so around my birthday, which is near release date. Other than that, my i4790k is more than enough.

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I need to get more powerful
I need to get more powerful CPU, I think Fallout 4 won't support more than 4 threads.... Will GTX960 be enough when I play without shadows?

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I think a GTX 960 should be

I think a GTX 960 should be plenty, especially if you get the 4GB version, which you're going to want if you ever mod Fallout 4 (or even Skyrim) with a lot of texture packs.  It's a big step up from the cards that are built into the consoles. 

From the stuff I've read, the GTX 970 is a better buy for the money though, so it might be worth looking at that one too.

 

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I THINK I should be able to

I THINK I should be able to rock everything but the processor.  I kinda think my chip, i7-2600k, should be good but it's 4 years old so...

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@Thermador I am student, so I
@Thermador I am student, so I am little short on money. Was able to get a part time job in school but I have to replace CPU AND mobo.....I have been using 2gb 960.

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thermador wrote:

thermador wrote:

From the stuff I've read, the GTX 970 is a better buy for the money though, so it might be worth looking at that one too.

I'll second that. I bought a trio of 970's a while back and have been incredibly happy with them. If you keep an eye out for coupon codes and rebates you can snag a 970 for under $300.

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TsurudaHimeko wrote:

TsurudaHimeko wrote:

@Thermador I am student, so I am little short on money. Was able to get a part time job in school but I have to replace CPU AND mobo.....I have been using 2gb 960.

Ah.  Your signature says "Radeon HD 7850 1G" so I assumed you were shopping for a new card.

 

deadboy wrote:

I THINK I should be able to rock everything but the processor.  I kinda think my chip, i7-2600k, should be good but it's 4 years old so...

Better than mine.  I'm planning on going into Fallout 4 with my ancient i7-950 bloomfield (socket 1366, 3.0 ghz factory clock speed).

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What if you want to push 4K

What if you want to push 4K resolution? 4GB 970 enough? Or a 980ti needed? I don't know what people used for 4K with Witcher 3.

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I figure my Radeon R9 390

I figure my Radeon R9 390 will manage that. But I guess we'll see.

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my gtx970 is running 4k

my gtx970 is running 4k supersampling with fnv on ultra... its full 60fps except in strip or freeside, and thats with open strip and open dreeside.. it goes to about 45fps there.

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Wow, many people use decent
Wow, many people use decent rigs. ;) Looks like I have to buy i5 6600k CPU and associated mobo.....Thank god I got a part time job.

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With age comes responsibility, and the ability to ignore them and buy fancy toys.  

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deadboy wrote:

deadboy wrote:

With age comes responsibility, and the ability to ignore them and buy fancy toys.  

Yep.  Time to sell my GTX 680 4GB and get a Titan Z I guess. 

But really the bottleneck on my system is probably the 5-year old 1st-gen i7 CPU and related architecture. 

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hmmmmm Titan Z... :homerdrool

hmmmmm Titan Z... :homerdrool:

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I have to hold off till next

I have to hold off till next year sometime to upgrade my graphics card, I bought a GTX 750 because I had some crap stock card that could barely run anything, but sometime next year I'll probably pick it up.

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I hope my CPU will do, for

I hope my CPU will do, for some strange reasons my TTW is not always running smooth (most time 60fps but sometimes below 10 for some seconds), maybe its the ENB + better Textures (feels like its loading from HDD when the fps drops.

I have newly bought a GTX 970 and every other game is very smooth.

Maybe the CPU is the issue, its getting really old: AMD Phenom II X6 1090T

But in beanchmarks its still ok. GPU has a bigger impact anyway.

 

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Hi!

Hi!

Official specs are out guys! Check them out!

http://bethesda.net/#en/events/game/prepare-for-the-future-fallout-4-imp...

 

My opinion:

They are a bit off. I mean the recommended ones are nearly ridiculous for that what I have seen from game footage and graphics. But dont worry. Many games have way to high requirements, another example Mad Max which has kinda similar requirements but runs MAXED with 60+FPS on my rig. Either they are using such high requirements to promote hardware sellers or they are expecting the maximum settings. Like 4K and 8X AA or such jokes.

I never really believe those. Rather wait for real benchmarks or experiences. ;)

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A fucking i7 as

A fucking i7 as recommendation for optimal performance?

Dahaahahaha...

 

 

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Quote:

Quote:

Minimum
Windows 7/8/10 (64-bit OS required)
Intel Core i5-2300 2.8 GHz/AMD Phenom II X4 945 3.0 GHz or equivalent
8 GB RAM
30 GB free HDD space
NVIDIA GTX 550 Ti 2GB/AMD Radeon HD 7870 2GB or equivalent

The minimum PC specs are pretty much exactly the same as the console specs. 

  • 8GB of RAM
  • 7870 card
  • For processors, let's calculate a processor "score" of (ghz * number of threads). So, 1.6*8=13 and 1.75*8=14 for the consoles, vs. 2.8*4=11 or 3.0*4=12 for the PC's.  So, roughly a "low teens" processor score - 11-14ish.

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Recommended
Windows 7/8/10 (64-bit OS required)
Intel Core i7 4790 3.6 GHz/AMD FX-9590 4.7 GHz or equivalent
8 GB RAM
30 GB free HDD space
NVIDIA GTX 780 3GB/AMD Radeon R9 290X 4GB or equivalent

What are the Dev's telling us with these recommended system specs?  We can get an idea by comparing recommended specs vs. minimum specs.

  • More RAM is not that important
    • Minimum spec = recommended spec
  • A faster processor is important - about 2-3x spec increase
    • 2.5-3x increase in processor
      • The "score" of (ghz * number of threads) increases from the low teens for the minimum, to the high twenties/thirties - a 2.5x increase for Intel, and a 3x increase for AMD.
    • 2x increase in number of threads
      • The recommended systems are both 8-thread.  The minimum systems are 4-thread. We can expect the game to take advantage of multiple threads since it's programmed for 8-thread consoles.
    • More threads may be more important than clock speed. 
      • The per-core clock speeds increase by only about 30-50%, while the number of threads for the recommended processor doubles from 4 to 8.
  • A faster videocard is important - about 2x spec increase
    • The nVidia specs increase from 2-5x from the minimum to the recommended
      • Pixel fill rate up 1.9x, texture fill rate up 5.6x, memory bandwidth up 2.9x, GFLOPS up 5.8x
    • The AMD specs increas about 2x from the minimum to the recommended
      • Pixel fill rate up 2x, texture fill rate up 2.2x, memory bandwidth up 2.1x, GFLOPS up 2.2x
  • Video RAM is important - about 1.5-2x increase
    • Video Ram increases by 1.5x (nvidia) to 2x (ati) from the minimum to the recommended

 

tl;dr

The cynical side of me says that Bethsoft just did a quick "2x the consoles" calculation to come up with the recommended system.

Less cynically, the recommended system is most likely based on their test rigs at the company.

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So I know this sounds like a

So I know this sounds like a dumb question, but will the graphics card in my laptop (Intel HD Graphics 4600 (Toshiba)) be able to run this on minimum/low?  I have no clue how to compare it to the minimum requirements.

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farmerboy464 wrote:

farmerboy464 wrote:

So I know this sounds like a dumb question, but will the graphics card in my laptop (Intel HD Graphics 4600 (Toshiba)) be able to run this on minimum/low?  I have no clue how to compare it to the minimum requirements.

Your integrated graphics 4600 looks worse on the surface compared to minimum spec cards, like  a 550 ti.

But, because it is integrated and can use some of your system hardware, the 3Dmark score is actually better than the minimum card, the nVidia 550 ti.

3DMark score: 4290 vs. 2500 (see this link)

And from real world tests, it looks like it can actually put up decent frame rates on a lot of games, including Skyrim which was in the same basic graphics engine, as long as you stay on the "low" settings.

So I would say, yeah you can use that card for Fallout 4.  It will be on the "low" settings, but it should work OK.

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Cool.  I could have mentioned

Cool.  I could have mentioned it runs Skyrim and Tomb Raider (2013) just fine.  Thanks Therm!

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It seems like I'm right in

It seems like I'm right in the middle of minimum and recommended. Guess we'll see how that works out when the game's out.

And like, other stuff, I guess.

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Glad I just got a 970GTX, The

Glad I just got a 970GTX, The two 470's in sli wouldn't had been enough, I also have a i7 4790K on the way I did have a 3770K but it freezes up ever since the cooler I had failed and it had a 100C.... Just great to see what the factory specs are..... By the way 970 in 1080i murders anything.... I mean anything, TTW runs better now.... every game is maxed!!! Looking for a Graphics card? 970 is the way to go I just got a Asus 970 Strix for $280 from new egg earlier Monday. Just remember the card is bigger than 470 I have a antec 1200 case and I even had to squeeze it in.

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I've got everything but the

I've got everything but the video card... need to save up for that 980ti 6GB I wanted...

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RoyBatty wrote:

RoyBatty wrote:

 

I've got everything but the video card... need to save up for that 980ti 6GB I wanted...

 

I'm opposite. I got the cards, I need a new MOBO, CPU, RAM, and main SSD.

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Adonis VII wrote:

Adonis VII wrote:

I'm opposite. I got the cards, I need a new MOBO, CPU, RAM, and main SSD.

Depending on the memory you have and other components I would look into a i7-4790K I preforms just a a tad lower than the 5820K and better than the 6700K with factory clock speeds, the only time you gain really ground is when you over clock the 5820K then you see a difference, the 6700K is around the same performance. The only deal maker for me was I had 16GB of 1600mhz of memory I could use in the i7-4790K, and that would have cost me another $120, because the rest use DDR4 now.

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Yep.  Time to sell my GTX 680

Yep.  Time to sell my GTX 680 4GB and get a Titan Z I guess.

I hope you mean Titan-X. You can get 2 980ti's for the price of one Titan-Z, and those will out-perform it by a country mile. Unless you really need the extra double float precision.

 

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Redisopel wrote: Just

Redisopel wrote:

Just remember the card is bigger than 470 I have a antec 1200 case and I even had to squeeze it in.

Yeah I used to have a 470 in my antec 1200, very easy fit.  My current 680 4GB barely fits, it was a realy bear to get it in there and still have good cable routing.  It's good to hear that the 970 fits in the 1200 case too. 

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thermador wrote:

thermador wrote:

 

Redisopel wrote:

Just remember the card is bigger than 470 I have a antec 1200 case and I even had to squeeze it in.

 

Yeah I used to have a 470 in my antec 1200, very easy fit.  My current 680 4GB barely fits, it was a realy bear to get it in there and still have good cable routing.  It's good to hear that the 970 fits in the 1200 case too. 

The best purchase I ever made was the older model of the Lian-Li V2010 chassis. I've had 4 different motherboards, 6 different CPU's, 12 different GPU's, and 3 different PSU's in that thing over the years and have never once had an issue with space. If someone needs a case and has the money (and desk space) for one of those I'd highly recommend it.

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Outperform yes, except RAM

Outperform yes, except RAM doesn't add in SLI, if I want to upgrade to 4k later.

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Titan-Z is single card SLI,

Titan-Z is single card SLI (it's 2 titan chips on the same card), it has the same amount of ram as a 980ti.

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I meant titan-x with 12gb yes

I meant titan-x with 12gb yes.

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Yes, but therm mentions the

Yes, but therm mentions the Titan-Z not the titan-X. I think my original post is confusing, I was saying that I hoped he was actually talking about the titan-x and just accidently said titan-z, because if he where actually intending to get the titan-z, a better option would be 2 980ti's as both are multi-card solutions.

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It's never a good idea to

It's never a good idea to upgrade to a dual card setup. You upgrade to the best single card you can get and then get a second one of those when performance starts to fall.

I guess that's becoming less true with new tri-card setups, but the principle remains the same. You never upgrade to a system with no room to grow, otherwise you are forced to make leaps to upgrade instead of steps.

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JaxFirehart wrote:

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It's never a good idea to upgrade to a dual card setup. You upgrade to the best single card you can get and then get a second one of those when performance starts to fall.

I guess that's becoming less true with new tri-card setups, but the principle remains the same. You never upgrade to a system with no room to grow, otherwise you are forced to make leaps to upgrade instead of steps.

This is basically how I've done things the past few generations of GPU's. Instead of shelling out an absurd amount of money for a single card I'll buy one and then a month or so later I'll buy a second, then a third. That's the way I did it with the 770 and the 970.

In the past I was shelling out big bucks for things like the 590 and 690 and one day I realized it was getting harder and harder to justify that kind of money for what I was getting.

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JaxFirehart wrote:

JaxFirehart wrote:

 

It's never a good idea to upgrade to a dual card setup. You upgrade to the best single card you can get and then get a second one of those when performance starts to fall.

I guess that's becoming less true with new tri-card setups, but the principle remains the same. You never upgrade to a system with no room to grow, otherwise you are forced to make leaps to upgrade instead of steps.

In theory I agree completely with this.  In practice, I usually wait too long to get the additional card and it becomes a pain in the ass to find a match. I know I've had to wind up upgrading/changing cards a couple times in the past when I had just wanted to xfire/sli.

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Actually, I get in the same

Actually, I get in the same situation. My budget happens to be such that if I buy a card at the top of the budget, it can usually last so long that it's more optimal to just buy a new card. I'd still stick with: never buy 2 cards simultaneously unless they are literally the top of the line and you can pay thousands of dollars each.

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Yeah dual cards, and
Yeah dual cards, and especially triple cards, also limit what you can do with your PC. Not enough space in the case. Sata expansion cards, SCSI cards, sound cards, etc. get squeezed out.
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Actually, going with a single

Actually, going with a single graphics card build was already very good advice more than a decade ago, and it still holds true IMHO; I have never ever actually needed more than one graphics card in my gaming PC builds.

I recently put together a mostly new gaming/home theater setup, which I am hoping will be sufficient to run Fallout4 as well as other games for a few years to come. Here's my current systems specifications;

Motherboard: Asus P8Z77-V LX2
CPU: i5 3570K running stable at 3.8 GHz (stock frequency 3.4 GHz)
Memory: 8GB DDR3
Graphics: Asus Strix GTX970 3.5GB (nominal 4GB, but only 3.5GB is fast enough to count as GPU memory)
Audio: Asus Xonar DG 5.1
SSD: Crucial 250GB
HDD: 3TB Western Digital Red Series
Display: 42" LG LED TV FullHD
Human Interfacing: Keyboard, Gigabyte M6900 Gaming Mouse, Saitek X-45 HOTAS.
OS: Win 7 Ultimate SP1 x64
 

This system has been easily powerful enough to run TTW, moderately modded Skyrim and Elite:Dangerous all at around 60 FPS or so, all with maximum settings with 1080p (FullHD) resolutions. Only performance 'problem' I've had so far was with way too heavily modded Skyrim, which actually maxed out mainboards FSB (memory and CPU bandwidth got bottlenecked) and this caused a slideshow experience in a mass battle - I was practically asking for it though by going crazy with Mod Organizer and creating an extremely mod packed profile for Skyrim, with hi-res texture packs aplenty, several script heavy mods like Civil War Overhaul and loads of other stuff as well..

Basically, it seems that anything even remotely reasonable with 1080p resolutions seems to run smooth as glass. My systems most obvious weakness/bottleneck is CPU/Mobo, but this propably would not be an issue with any sane game setup (Fallout4 or otherwise).

 

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The first warning to upgrade

The first warning to upgrade my computer in the near future instead of waiting until my computer works with a game frame by frame like it did in SWTOR beta.  It definitely made things interesting ... lol

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I got mine, but don't know if

I got mine, but don't know if works smoothly on fallout 4

  •  AMD FX -8120 Eight-Core
  •  8GB DDR3
  •  ATI HD 7970

 

I want to by a new computer for myself as well as assembling hahahahahahahahaha........ha

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VL wrote:

VL wrote:

I got mine, but don't know if works smoothly on fallout 4

  •  AMD FX -8120 Eight-Core
  •  8GB DDR3
  •  ATI HD 7970

Processor is a bit above the minimum requirements, 3.0 ghz but 8 cores, so you're fine there.  If you're comfortable doing overclocking, and have a good CPU cooler (or want to install one), you could do that to get a bit more performance.  According to a quick google search, you should be able to overclock to 4 ghz while keeping things stable and temps safe.  And good CPU coolers are cheap these days.

RAM meets the minimum and recommended requirments so you're good there.

Video card is one notch above the minimum requirements.  This would be the place to spend some money if you've got it, as you'll reap more benefits from doing that than anything else.

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Ok I noted.

Ok I noted.

yes I should get a better cooler since it shut down with no reason sometimes, now I understand the reason is the processor get over heated......and makes noise, not loud but just above normal..

 

I have to added RAM too because they just meet the minimum requirement, aware of lack of RAM when other application running while f4 is on...

 

Big thanks to you for the comments!

 

 

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Processor is a bit above the

thermador wrote:

Processor is a bit above the minimum requirements, 3.0 ghz but 8 cores, so you're fine there.  If you're comfortable doing overclocking, and have a good CPU cooler (or want to install one), you could do that to get a bit more performance.  According to a quick google search, you should be able to overclock to 4 ghz while keeping things stable and temps safe.  And good CPU coolers are cheap these days.

For reference, I've got my FX6300 clocked to 4.0. It *will* do 4.2 stable *with a good cooler.* at 4.3 or higher, you start to get hiccups.

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The FX6300 is a wonderful

The FX6300 is a wonderful chip. I haven't figured out how to overlock mine yet, as all of the BIOS options are locked down for...some reason, but mine seems to change it's clock rate automatically so...¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Is that what makes the Black Editions different? This one seems to automatically go to 4.0 when it's necessary. Like when I'm playing Inquisition.

And like, other stuff, I guess.

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BE is stock unlocked for

BE is stock unlocked for overclocking. If you don't have a BE, that'd be why the options are locked. All of the FX chips (and most older chips) are capable of reclocking themselves like that to an extent. Overclocking is basically turning that feature off, then doing the same thing yourself so it's consistent instead of "when the system thinks it'd be best".

 

Personally everyone says these FX chips are so much better than the older AMx processors, but I'd take a phenom any day. Can't even tell the difference without benchmarking, and the phenoms weren't CMT.

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Yeah, mine's a Black Edition.

Yeah, mine's a Black Edition. It's just that all of the BIOS options don't seem to let me touch the CPU. None of the options actually change. Might be a thing with the motherboard, idunno.

And like, other stuff, I guess.

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