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Fallout 4 Season Pass Announced

From Bethesda's site (behind age gate)

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We've always done a lot of DLC for our games. We love making them and you always ask us for more. To reward our most loyal fans, this time we’ll be offering a Season Pass that will get you all of the Fallout 4 DLC we ever do for just $30. Since we’re still hard at work on the game, we don’t know what the actual DLC will be yet, but it will start coming early next year. Based on what we did for Oblivion, Fallout 3, and Skyrim, we know that it will be worth at least $40, and if we do more, you'll get it all with the Season Pass.

Not a surprise to anyone, I'm sure, but since it's new and now confirmed, figured I'd add it to the Facts forum. 

I've already seen a few people claim they are going to wait until all the DLC is out before they dive into FO4. I don't think I'll wait that long, but will probably pass on the season pass. Have yet to have a good experience with a season pass, so have no interest at the moment in trying it again. I'll wait to see what they're doing and then decide whether to give them my money.

What about everyone else? Anyone getting in on the season pass?

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Got burned on the last 3

Got burned on the last 3 season passes I got (BL:TPS, Max Payne 3, Bioshock Infinite) so I'm reluctant to invest in one again. DLC is pretty slipshod these days...

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Yeah - the last I got was

Yeah - the last I got was Borderlands 2 and didn't play most of the DLC. Just burned out on the game before they all came out. I'm in no rush. I rather pay a few extra bucks for something I know I want instead of trying to save some dollars for something I don't know if I'll actually want.

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While some of the DLCs can be

While some of the DLCs can be great, others can be not so great.  Think I'll try to maintain the illusion of choice, at least until some supermod comes along that I just have to have and which requires all DLCs.

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With the exception of "Horse

With the exception of "Horse armor" I think Beth has done a really good job on the DLC front. The season pass will be something I'll invest in, but only since I trust Beth's track record. 

If life is but a test, where's the damn answer key?!?!?

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Yeah, in general I agree,

Yeah, in general I agree, which is why I think there is actually an argument to be made here to get the season pass. With most other games I think they are a scam, but Bethesda has been consistent in delivering meaty content after their tentpole games. And if Fallout 4 is like the others, I'll eventually get all the DLC.

So maybe I'll pay more in the end by not getting the season pass, but I'm okay with that. 

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I think the season pass is

I think the season pass is actually a good thing for modding, indirectly. A lot of people will have all the DLC available... so there won't be as much push for compatibility patches or 57 different versions of a mod for every possible permutation of DLC the user may or may not have. Just make a version with dlc, and one without. Or just one, with.

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I'll also point out that as

I'll also point out that as far as I'm aware, season passes stick around after launch. So if, down the line, you decide you want to get the first 2 DLC that came out, you'll probably be better off getting the season pass then, getting the first two, and then any additional DLC. Overall I think it's a good strategy.

Also, they might very well judge the desire for DLC on season pass sales. More sales equals more early on money that can help fund DLC.

And another thought, they just might be able to count that as sales toward the game, which lets them report higher overall sales total on release.

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The Season Pass pre-order

The Season Pass pre-order should be $20 to $25.

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Roy articulated my sentiment

Roy articulated my sentiment precisely. After Bioshock infinite, and the even more egregious BL:TPS, I'm veeeeery skeptic of a season pass. I Do trust Bethesda more than anyone else in the biz to produce quality DLC, but I'm just too jaded at this point.

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I am skeptical as well and

I am skeptical as well and that is why I think it should be around $20 since the average price of one DLC or upgrade is $19.99.  This way, if Bethesda does not deliver more than one DLC or they are shoddy, one will not feel as jilted as if they paid $30+ expecting 4+ High Quality DLCs being released.

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I always wait for the GOTY

I always wait for the GOTY edition of a game if a season pass gets announced.

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anstand wrote:

anstand wrote:

I always wait for the GOTY edition of a game if a season pass gets announced.

Yeah, that is probably a better idea to follow and most cost effective if you don't mind waiting.

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anstand wrote:

anstand wrote:

 

I always wait for the GOTY edition of a game if a season pass gets announced.

Same with me.

Only bad thing about it is not playing the game for a while. The good things by far surpass the only bad one for me (good things: All DLCs already available and included, I usually wait for a promotion so way cheaper than if buying the game and a season pass or each DLC separately, way less bugs since all patches are already released [lets be honest, Bethesda games are usually almost unplayable as soon as they are released], tons of awesome mods already available including unofficial patches, performance tricks already available, better modding tools and mod managers already available, tons of tutorials for modding already made, and a few other things).

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dekjo wrote:

dekjo wrote:

I've already seen a few people claim they are going to wait until all the DLC is out before they dive into FO4.

That is a willpower I don't think I'd be capable of even dreaming about.

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when you pre-purchase the

when you pre-purchase the game for 15 USD less than the market price, paying 20 USD for a season pass is about the same as waiting for the GOTY edition to come out  (given that "release" of the GOTY edition could be 59.99 USD or it could be 69.99 USD; seriously at the rate things are going you'll never know).

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Better to get a great

Better to get a great purchase at a decent price and discover it again at a worse price than to miss out on your opportunities for ownership. - Adabael Timsar-Dadisun, "The Buying Game" (Elder Scrolls Lore)

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Sure, season passes have been bad for other games.  But look at it this way. 

  • Skyrim was totally playable without gamebreaking bugs at release. 
    • I know, I played through the whole game at launch with no patches.  Fallout 3 and especially New Vegas were not, but here's hoping the creation engine is a bit better for bug fixing.  Having used the creation kit, I can tell you that the creation engine does have a lot more (annoying) requirements/reminders/error messages built into it to reduce potential bugs.
       
  • Skyrim Legendary Edition and wasn't released until about 1 year and 8 months after Skyrim itself came out.
    • Skyrim original and Skyrim Legendary Edition were both $59.99 when announced. 
    • Neither got a price drop for the first six months after release.
       
  • Skyrim has three DLC's, retailing $45 total at launch.  They didn't get a price drop until after Legendary Edition was released.
     
  • New Vegas had six DLC's, retailing $47 total.  New Vegas Ultimate Edition didn't come out until 1 year and 4 months after New Vegas itself came out.  New Vegas was originally launched at a price of $49.99 and Ultimate Edition also originally sold for $39.99.
     
  • Fallout 3 had five DLC's, retailing $50 total.  Fallout 3 GOTY didn't come out until 1 year and 2 months after the original game came out.  Fallout 3 was originally launched at a price of $59.99, and GOTY launched for $49.99.

So let's say you wait until about 2 years after Fallout 4's launch to buy the Ultimate Edtion after the first price drop from $60 to $40.  Let's say I buy the season pass setup for $90 today, instead of $40 two years from now.  I paid $50 more, but I had two years to play the game.  My marginal cost for that two years of play time was the extra $50 I paid, but across two years, that's only $0.48 a week, or $0.07 a day.  To me, that's pretty reasonable.

Let's say instead you buy the Ultimate Edition right when it comes out for $60, but I buy the Season Pass for $90.  Still, I got at least a full year of playing in - my marginal cost for buying right away?  The extra $30 I paid, spread out over a year - $0.58 a week, or $0.08 a day.

Let's take a really extreme example.  Let's say you wait three years to buy Fallout 4 Ultimate for $10 on a steam sale.  I paid $80 more, but over three years, that's still only $0.51 a week or $0.07 a day.  And three years from now?  I could be dead by then.

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That's some logic I can get

That's some logic I can get behind, Therm. I was going to buy the base game at release anyways, but I think you just convinced me of the value in the season pass.

 

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So much win in that post.

So much win in that post.

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Hard to believe that with all

Hard to believe that with all of the hype going on and the love so many people have for the Fallout franchise that people will really wait for up to 2 years for a price drop or an ultimate edition release before buying. I would suspect that most people will indeed buy this game immediately upon release, myself included. Plus I will most likely also go ahead and purchase the season pass as well. I think that the franchise's track record for DLC's has been very good for previous versions of the Fallout games so I don't think it will be an issue with this new release.

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I will still wait, both me

I will still wait, both me and my wife are unemployed and that money I could spend now to buy the game is better used in buying food or medicine, join that with the fact I do not have a machine that will run FO4 so I will have to try and save enough to buy one and in two years the parts for making said machine will cost even less.

For me there are things more important to invest the little income I get than games, I can't eat FO4 or a computer .

If I was richer than I am now I would definitely buy it way sooner or even pre-order, but my life has been a constant very low income existence ever since I got out of the army so I am used to wait for things like games .

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Ok with your situation it's

Ok with your situation it's understandable. And by the way I'm sorry to hear that you're having problems. Hopefully thing will get better for you at some point in time. Anyway I'll rephrase what I said and say that people who can afford to purchase the game and the season pass will more likely do so rather than wait any extended period of time...

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I feel you, Risewild. I

I feel you, Risewild. I remember when I was broke and my approach was similar. I rented Fallout 3 and New Vegas and just marathoned the games on my 360 when they first came out. It wasn't until years later after Game of the Year editions were out that I bought the PC versions during steam sales.

And no regrets - that method worked perfectly. Got to play the games inexpensively at release, then got to go back a year or so later to replay with expansions and mods. Unfortunately, this time around that approach would require one of the new consoles, which doesn't help when you're broke, but back then it was great. And if I was still broke, I'd probably take that approach again if I had a PS4/Xbone.

Also, really nice post Thermador. I definitely see the logic, especially since I do trust that whatever does come out post release will be meaty and probably pretty decent and I anticipate that at some point I will buy whatever Fallout 4 content is out there, I still will take the wait and see approach. I believe Fallout 4 will be great, but let me play it first to make sure I enjoy the core gameplay loop.

Hopefully, Gribbleshnibit8 is right and, if the post-release content does sound good, I can choose to buy a season pass post-release (which generally seems to be the case for other games). But if not, I'm okay paying a little bit more to purchase them as they come out, just so I can make that decision once I know a little more about what I'm buying.