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Donations are now online

For the new year, I finally got off my bum and set up donations for the site. 

Yes that's right, here is a PayPal button!

Click here to read more about it.

 

Donations so far (goal is $2500/year)

 

  • Total Donations: $4329.15
  • Number of Donations: 226
     
  • Average Donation: $19.16
  • Median Donation: $10.00
     
  • Largest single donation: $250.00
  • Smallest single donation: $0.01
     
  • TESRenewal total: $3322.65
  • TTW total: $945.72
     
  • Total Donations: $4329.15
  • Paypal fees paid: $210.88
  • Paypal balance: $4116.89
  • Paypal fee percentage: 4.87%

 

Frequently Asked Questions:

  1. Why donations?

    Well, first off a lot of people have asked if they can donate.  Also, it costs a lot of money to run this site, and I've been paying out of my own pocket for the last two years (see below).  So I set up an LLC and so forth to handle donations.
     
  2. Why an LLC and not a non-profit entity (non-profit corporation, etc.)?

    I did consider this, but I went with an LLC because it provides better liability protection for me personally, as well as other users of the site.  Plus, it's a whole lot simpler to set up.  Also, the LLC gives the "operating at a loss" situation a bit of a silver lining.  If I don't raise enough money each year to cover the costs, with the LLC, I can write off the loss against my taxable income.
     
  3. But I thought you were rich or something?

    Not really that rich, actually - just generous.  And if I have the opportunity to cover some of the costs, then that's great.  Plus, it's a big bill to pay come November (see below). 
     
  4. Why donations and not ads?

    A couple of reasons.  1) Donations are optional, ads are mandatory; 2) A lot of people block ads; and 3) A lot of ads spy on the site and its users.  No thanks.
     
  5. Where does my money go?

    Payments go to a PayPal account for "Blue Wizard LLC" (yep that's me).  (I know TJ suggested "Pipe Smokin' Wizard LLC" but that sounds kind of shady to me).  All transactions will be posted at least once a year (no emails or names will be shared, just screenshots) so you can see how much money I "make" on this and how much it offsets the costs.  I guess you just have to trust me on that, but I genuinely do want to keep it transparent.

    Where your money ultimately goes is for paying our service providers (Dreamhost and iflychat.com) for the web hosting and chat (respectively).  The server is quad-core, 4GB ram, 500GB HDD space, Raid 1, with unlimited bandwidth.  TTW's site averages about 10 GB of data transfer a DAY so unlimited bandwidth and a dedicated server is pretty much mandatory.  The chat is capped at 60 simultaneous users.
     
  6. What do I get for my donation?

    Nothing!  ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!  Well maybe an icon on your forum posts that shows you've donated.  That's about it though.  This is strictly out of the goodness of your heart - you can still download TTW, or use the site, or whatever without donating.
     
    Oh and if you do donate, send me a PM and I can add the little "Donor" icon to your forum post panel (see mine to the left).
     
  7. How much do I have to donate?

    At least one cent.  Otherwise, PayPal won't let you donate.  However, with a one cent donation, your money goes straight to paypal because of the fee.

    Note that I reserve the right to NOT add the "Donor" icon if you donate a microscopic amount, such as one cent.  A few people have donated this amount, and then PM'd me for their "Donor" badge.  Nice try.  Please donate $5 or more if you want the badge.
     
  8. I've been here for years helping out with development, and I don't feel like donating because I think I've put in my time.  Problem?

    That's fine; again, donations are totally optional.  If I find anyone pressuring anyone else into donating, I will rain fire on your asses. indecision
     
  9. I am rich and I want to donate $1,000 but I want to become a moderator, or some other such deal.  Will you do it?

    No.  You can donate as much as you want, but it won't get you anything extra. cheeky
     
  10. Can I get a refund on that donation?

    Yes, but if it turns into a big hassle for me I will just refund your money and then ban you from the site.

    Imagine taking your money and setting it on fire.  That is what you are doing.  If you don't want to do that, don't donate in the first place. wink
     
  11. Don't you share this server with other sites? Shouldn't they be donating too?

    Yep, and they are.  On average, TESrenewal.com (formerly morroblivion.com) and TaleOfTwoWastelands.com use up about 95% of the server's bandwidth.  It's a race!  Donate more than the other guys.  Or whatever.
     
  12. What happens if you get more than you need?  Will you stop taking donations?  Will you keep the money for yourself (you jerk)?

    If, by some miracle, people donate more than ~$2500/year, then the excess will stay in the bank account / PayPal account to be used for future server costs.  Or, if we just have a shit ton of money, the excess will be donated to a charity after a vote on what charity (or charities) it should go to.  Pie in the sky, but it's good to have a plan I guess.
     

 

Here are some numbers:

2012 expenses:

  • 2012-07-24: $214.80 - Dreamhost Shared Hosting (paid ahead for 2 years of hosting)
  • 2012-09-11: $59.70 - Domain Registration (six domains for TTW, including taleoftwowastelands.com/.net/.org and twowastelands.com/.net/.org, at $9.95/year)
  • 2012-10-23: $6.66 - Dreamhost VPS trial / upgrade, for service through 2012-10-23
  • 2012-11-03: $19.00 - iflychat.com monthly chat service
  • 2012-11-06: $1859.00 - Dreamhost Dedicated Server (Blue Moon 4 Dedicated) - $169/mo, with 1 mo. free if billed annually (note that multiple sites share this server, but TTW.com uses about half the bandwidth)
  • 2012-11-08: -$183.27 - Refund on unused balance of Shared Hosting plan
  • 2012-12-02: $19.00 - iflychat.com monthly chat service
  • -
  • 2012 total: $1994.89 - paid by me

2013 expenses:

  • 2013-01-02: $19.00 - iflychat.com monthly chat service
  • 2013-02-02: $19.00 - iflychat.com monthly chat service
  • 2013-03-02: $19.00 - iflychat.com monthly chat service
  • 2013-04-02: $19.00 - iflychat.com monthly chat service
  • 2013-05-02: $19.00 - iflychat.com monthly chat service
  • 2013-06-02: $19.00 - iflychat.com monthly chat service
  • 2013-07-03: $19.00 - iflychat.com monthly chat service
  • 2013-08-02: $19.00 - iflychat.com monthly chat service
  • 2013-09-02: $19.00 - iflychat.com monthly chat service
  • 2013-09-10: $67.70 - Domain Registration (six domains for TTW, including taleoftwowastelands.com/.net/.org and twowastelands.com/.net/.org, at $11.95 for .com and .net, and $9.95 for the two .org domains)
  • 2013-10-02: $19.00 - iflychat.com monthly chat service
  • 2013-11-03: $19.00 - iflychat.com monthly chat service
  • 2013-11-06: $1859.00 - Dreamhost Dedicated Server (Blue Moon 4 Dedicated) - $169/mo, with 1 mo. free if billed annually (note that multiple sites share this server, but TTW.com uses about half the bandwidth)
  • 2013-12-02: $19.00 - iflychat.com monthly chat service
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  • 2013 total: $2154.70 - paid by me


 

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This is a good thing and you

This is a good thing and you deserve to get something back for all your efforts Therm. Once I get out of the hole I'm in I will kick in and I'm sorry but I expect to be made a moderator! If not Admin! 

 

Now with 40% more tiny robot!

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(joker: on) Can i be the

(joker: on) Can i be the president of the United Wastelands if i give you something?????  :)  (joker: off)

 

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I'm new to the site and so

I'm new to the site and so far i really like the work you've done. I'm setting up a new playthrough of FO3 and TTW is definitely going to be the way I go. I made a donation, put my money where my mouth is type of thing. It ain't much considering how much of your own cash you put into this, but it's something.

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Every little bit helps.

Every little bit helps.

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So whats the average amount
So whats the average amount people donate? This would be my first donation online (not counting charity). Also,if i donate,i want to not have the donor logo!
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If you donate, and don't

If you donate, and don't bother putting your TTW/ Morro username in the 'username' field on the donation page and also don't send therm a PM he'd have no way of knowing what user the donation came from. I'm sure he'd rather you do both and in the PM request to not have the donor badge added.

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Indeed, there are already a

Indeed, there are already a bunch of unidentified donors.  I even search each email address to see if it matches with a user on the site.  Usually it doesn't.  :shrug:

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Gonna follow your advice TJ
Gonna follow your advice TJ as usual,but im still in conflict about the amount. Im new to those things. :-( lol. I got one karma,noticed just now. Yey!
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thermador wrote:Indeed, there

thermador wrote:
Indeed, there are already a bunch of unidentified donors.  I even search each email address to see if it matches with a user on the site.  Usually it doesn't.  :shrug:

My paypal's in my wife's name, but I let you know when I donated.

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Well, someone (with the

Well, someone (with the initials DG) donated $100 yesterday, but didn't give me a user name, and their paypal email address doesn't match up with any accounts on the site.

So thank you very much DG!  If you want the "donor" logo on your account, just send me a PM.

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can you put a note about

can you put a note about "enter your ttw-name" before going into the PayPal screen?
And if you did, make it bigger?
Once in paypal I'm just looking at amounts and hitting pay... 
then I saw the ttw name note, but page was already going away.

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I just recently discovered

I just recently discovered TTW (within the last month or so), and I'm amazed by it.

Currently playing through the FO3 campaign again.... ahh, memories. :)

I've donated, because this is a project I would love to keep around.

 

 

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Thanks for the donations

Thanks for the donations everyone.  First post updated. 

Unfortunately I can't change the way PayPal sets up their forms, so if you forget to fill out the part with your user name, please send me a PM.

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End of month update; thanks

End of month update; thanks everyone :D

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Damn, TESRenewal is creaming

Damn, TESRenewal is creaming us...

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Yeah but they usually use

Yeah but they usually use more than half the bandwidth, and usually have about 2x the number of people on chat.

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I sorta feel like an asshole

I sorta feel like an @$$hole now for donating a micro amount! I'll send you guy's some more!

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Thanks zenmaster

Thanks zenmaster

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im with ya Zenmaster this

im with ya Zenmaster this team has been awesome. i get better customer support from here than i do on the things i've been required to pay for and need it less cause the product is more stable. :)

i know i'll be giving more as soon as i am able.

THANK YOU TTW TEAM!

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Monthly update - thanks

Monthly update - thanks everyone!  At this point we are more than ready for the hosting bill in November.  I never thought it would be this quick!

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thermador wrote:Monthly

thermador wrote:
Monthly update - thanks everyone!  At this point we are more than ready for the hosting bill in November.  I never thought it would be this quick!

 

That's because all of you and TTW are awesome!  Besides, you shouldn't have to foot the server costs for all of us.

"TTW is the Fallout version of The One Ring. The One Ring to rule them all."

"Si vis pacem, para bellum!"

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Awesome Thermador!

Awesome Thermador!

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So once the goal is met
So once the goal is met additional funds go toward new features and upgrades, right? ;)
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Gribbleshnibit8 wrote:

Gribbleshnibit8 wrote:

So once the goal is met additional funds go toward new features and upgrades, right? ;)

Is there anything you have in mind? 

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teamspeack chat or voice chat

teamspeack chat or voice chat would be nice  thermador because i like to talk to fellow player and you could have a donate rooms so there no random users in the chat

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Voice chat is not really a
Voice chat is not really a possibility unfortunately. As I said in the post above, nothing extra comes with donating except the donor badge. But thanks for the donation though :-)
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it was a segetsipn not a

it was a segetsipn not a requested don't get you under where in notes

 

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Translation: It was a
Translation: It was a suggestion, not a request. Don't get your underwear in knots.
 
Response: I think you need to chill out bro, he was perfectly civil.
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I just think a ts sever would

I just think a ts sever would be nice to have of ttw players

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Well IIRC people can make

Well IIRC people can make their own TS servers (I can't be sure since I stopped using TS years ago), so if anyone around here would want to make one for TTW community I see nothing wrong with it. But I doubt any Dev or team member would show up there.

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Monthly update, thanks

Monthly update, thanks everyone! 

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TESRenewal mopped the floor

TESRenewal mopped the floor with us!

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Looking at the forum posts

Looking at the forum posts, it seems like we're a larger community too. I guess we're just saving our money for the nuclear apocalypse. 

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No they typically have double

No they typically have double the number of people on their chat.  It's definitely a larger community.  No worries.

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Haha okay. Regardless, it's

Haha okay. Regardless, it's nice that you'll be getting some/all of your money back!

JaxFirehart: I'll press my man boobs together and post pics if it helps. I'll even put the vacuum attachment on.

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Monthly update, thanks

Monthly update, thanks everyone! 

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Therm I know these are set up

Therm I know these are set up as "donations", Would it be possible if someone wanted to do a "subscription"? As in pay $x per month to help offset expenses.

 

EDIT: D'oh!! Ok there is a recurring/monthly option via Paypal so to answer my own question this is something that can be setup. Thanks Term!!!!

If life is but a test, where's the damn answer key?!?!?
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Nice, that's good to know, I

Nice, that's good to know, I've been thinking about doing that. Been donating what I can the last 3 paydays, just because I love TTW and want to show my appreciation for all the hard work you guys have put into this. Thanks guys.

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Switched from monthly to

Switched from monthly to quarterly updates since the pace of donations has slowed somewhat.  So here is the quarterly update (see first post) - there is enough money in the bank account to pay the annual hosting bill next month, and to pay the November 2015 webhosting bill as well!

I keep logging turned off to keep the site as fast as possible (and I don't use google analytics due to the privacy issues), but Dreamhost provides some summary data transfer totals for the last 30 days.  Last month, TTW transferred an average of 8.6 GB per day via http, and 21.8 GB per day via https.  That adds up to about 940GB per month, or about 11 terrabytes a year. 

Thanks for supporting the site everyone