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BoS Power Armor

does it bother anyone that the BoS use only T-60 and not T-45 like in 3 and NV. It bothers me. Shouldn't this supposedly limited Power Armor be rare enough that it would be in extremely limited supply. The lore says it was only deployed sparsely in Canada and a few major cities. I think it would make a lot of sense for the Knights to use T-45, the Paladins to use T-51 (officers need better protection), and special people and higher ranking officers to use T-60 (like you the lone wan- I mean Sole Survivor). X-01 just doesn't suit them in my opinion, too alien and space age. Thoughts?

Edit 1: Any rank below Knight should use BoS combat armor. Maybe Maxson should solely use X-01, making him tougher as Elder. 

Edit 2: Maybe give Maxson a suit of salvaged Enclave Hellfire Power Armor from their war in DC to both protect him and serve as a metaphor for how the new BoS has become exactly like the Enclave under Maxson. (declaring an entire subset of humanity beneath them for being impure and awful and going as far genocide to rid them from the Wasteland (remember: the president wanted you to get rid of all super mutants and ghouls at the end of 3 base game)) It would certainly be a cool prize for killing him at the final battle.

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Power Armor follows the Rule

Power Armor follows the Rule of Cool™. It doesn't follow any conceivable lore in this game. If it did, it would be something like this: 

any dipshit with arms and legs can wear power armor, and you can find suits like pieces of candy on Halloween. It is so inefficient it actually drains fusion cores, unlike anything else from before the war which can last forever using fusion power. 

I can appreciate that Bethesda designed a new suit of power armor since it would be boring if we were stuck with the same limited number of armor models, forever, but the T-60's manner of inclusion interferes with more than it probably had to.

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I agree, all of the armor

I agree, all of the armor drains power too quickly and I've been sneaking in and out of check posts to ascertain fusion cores since it is more cost effective than taking on the Mr. Gutsy and take them as I find them.  I hate draining my ammo and damaging my BoS T-60 just to get a few items.

As for Power Armor being everywhere, well so far I actually can see that in the Commonwealth, now in the Mojave I would understand why Power Armor would be harder to come by since that is my opinion of a Wasteland.  And I like how they broke down the power armor with the frame and individual pieces.  What I don't like is that each piece as it becomes damages fills your inventory but maybe they did that to more easily simulate your power armor is breaking down as it gets damage.  At least this vanilla Power Armor feels more power armorish than previous two vanillas.  But it still does not feel like I think power armor should be.  It should be more like TTW Powered Power Armor or Powered Power Armor with additional mods. 

As for Power Armor training, do remember that your character already served in the US Army, just retired from military service, and probably already received Power Armor Training.  Hence the reason why you already have it. 

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KeltecRFB wrote:

KeltecRFB wrote:

As for Power Armor training, do remember that your character already served in the US Army, just retired from military service, and probably already received Power Armor Training.  Hence the reason why you already have it. 

Not if you play as a female, in the tutorial she clicks on the folded flag and comments about how proud she is of her husband and there is a diploma that when activated says something about how many hours it took to get but it was worth it. 

this to me says that the male was in the army and the female would not have PA training unless they teach that at law school. 

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Lol, true enough!  Haven't

Lol, true enough!  Haven't played as a female yet.  My daughter has created a character but has not made it to V114 for the Deep Freeze yet ... :)

I have female toons in SWTOR but not Fallout 4 ... lol

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KeltecRFB wrote:

KeltecRFB wrote:

As for Power Armor being everywhere, well so far I actually can see that in the Commonwealth

Why? Here's what I can think of:

  • Boston is a highly urban, densely populated area. There are not many, or any large military bases in the commonwealth like there are in other parts of the US.
  • The standard of living around Boston is also somewhat higher than in other areas, which means that the Commonwealth's residents wouldn't be as affected by rationing, leading to rioting in other not as well-off parts of the country.
  • Less or no rioting means any national guard troops - the only ones conceivably who would be outfitted with suits of power armor - would not need to have had as much of a presence there before the war.
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Except things would change

Except things would change during war preparations especially since Alaska had already been invaded, Boston is a coastal city, and the change of both the timeline and the history of Boston in Fallout universe.  In addition, MIT was doing a lot of work for the military and that can not fall into enemy hands.

Since Boston is heavily populated and we saw power armor on rolling stock (trains cars), one can assume, the military already thought of the densely populated areas in which Power Armor would work better in the environment than APCs or Tanks.  And keep APCs in the less densely populated areas where they would work better.  Personally, as a former Marine Infantry, I rather have Power Armor in an Urban Environment than an APC.  At least in power armor, you can take cover, you can act like a cohesive unit all of the time, carry heavy weapons, and have the armor protecting you when on patrol or duty.  As for the National Guard, they can be activated at any time and be granted frontline military hardware.

Regardless of the standard of living, anyone from any socioeconomic group can be pushed into rioting.  Perhaps, the wealthy are angry they can not purchase their favorite bottle of wine, or carry a weapon to protect themselves, or they don't like the coolant prices, or they don't like how the Blue Collar (aka service people) being treated, or it could be those service or unemployed people that are rioting.

What really should have happened is you can start off any person you want like in the previous 2 which includes or does not include power armor training.  Or perhaps stronger locks on the physical security to these suits of power armor.  And/or less viable parts on these suits of power armor.

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KeltecRFB wrote:

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Except things would change during war preparations especially since Alaska had already been invaded, Boston is a coastal city, and the change of both the timeline and the history of Boston in Fallout universe.  In addition, MIT was doing a lot of work for the military and that can not fall into enemy hands.

We know hardly anything about how the history of any of America's cities changes in Fallout's timeline that would support the notion that the Commonwealth should have more power armor units than other cities. What we do know about cities like Boston has to rest on what it was like before divergence and then what isn't contradicted by other events in Fallout's timeline.

I don't see the connection between a coastal city on the Atlantic seaboard and the front in Alaska, literally an entire continent's span away. The Chinese invaded Anchorage to assume control of oil production there. Massachusetts does not produce oil and as such, would not appear to be a target for immediate future Chinese invasion, not to mention that it doesn't make much sense strategically to invade there because of geography. The west coast is a more attractive target for a land invasion for obvious reasons. Power armor units were deployed in Alaska because there was literally a war going on there, not because it was close to the water, and not beforehand in anticipation of a Chinese invasion.

CIT undoubtedly had its fingers in lots of government contracts but what this has to do with a greater outward military presence in Boston, especially in the context of needing available fighting units defending the homefront in Alaska AND their being deployed oversees fighting a land war in China is not clear. After the Anchorage campaign we know that units were deployed to domestic areas to control rioting. Again, assuming the generally increased standard of living around the Boston area as well as a lack of demographic variation regionally suggests that Boston would not be as high a target to place under control compared to other areas. It's an assumption, but it's based on what we know of the real-life Boston and even what we get a glimpse of in game, of a pretty comfortable middle-upper class suburb. 

China's answer to the question of invading the US mainland proper, which you're suggesting deployment of PA units in dense urban areas like Boston actually invited was instead to strike first with nuclear weapons. We can't know exactly what the US military's thinking on the possibility of a full-scale Chinese land invasion was, but in the context of the successful Anchorage campaign as well as the possibility that the US had the real upper hand in invading China's mainland, it probably would not have presented a real-enough possibility to preemptively deploy fighting units in urban areas.

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Speaking from the affluent

Speaking from the affluent stand point, how affluent would Boston remain after a probable nose dive on the Dow, and perhaps the NASDAQ if it is exists in the Fallout world?  With that many resources in trouble, foreign invasion, and etc, I would assume there would be a lot who would lose their fortunes.

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If due to the CIT researches

If due to the CIT researches PA troops would be assigned there to protect it, then it would make sense that PA would have been assigned to the Big Mountain which was researching a lot of weapons and even working on a USA's stealth suit, not to mention they had a testing camp there where chinese people were sent to be experimented on, so PA troops would very likely be assigned there, and yet not even one suit of PA is found there.

Washington DC which is the political capital and had a lot of PA troops assigned (as seen in FO3) only had two T-51b armors (one normal and one winterized), in FNV there is three we can find or buy and the BoS all wear it but that is because of a bug that added it to a list that was supposed to have T-45d armor instead.

Also pretty much any pre-war PA found in the previous games are there because of the BoS, which scavenged all the one it could find, while in Boston for what I have heard most Pre-war PA found is out there somewhere just hanging around until a sole survivor appears to take it home, there are even a Hotrod faction that are PA nuts and treat them as car aficionados treat their cars  that is how common pre-war PA is in Boston, some random people just grab them and paint them and mod them just because it's cool. There is also raider PA, which I have no idea if it is a Pre-war modified PA or a after the bombs fell raider gadget that works as a PA.

So the places on teh older games had only a handful of PA that were the pinnacle of Pre-war PA tech before the war (until FO4 told us that the T-60 was the pinnacle). Now compare it with Boston and it makes no sense why there are so many prewar PA there.

That is my opinion based on what I have read and heard, I didn't play FO4 so I might be saying something totally false .

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One other annoyance about the

One other annoyance about the PA you find sitting around everywhere is that a lot of it spawns based on level. The power armor frames have fixed positions and the armor that they are equipped with spawns when you first enter the area. If you wait until you are level 40+ to start hunting down power armor frames you'll end up with a crapload of the X-01 armor. The higher level you are the better chance it spawns as X-01.

There are roughly 40 frames with armor pieces on them throughout the commonwealth plus there are 4 vendors that sell empty frames and have a new one for purchase after every vendor reset and the Atom Cats will sell random assortments of PA pieces (all varieties) every time they reset. The Raider and BOS frames that are being used can also be stolen if you pick pocket the Fusion Core so the person gets out of the armor.

The stuff is everywhere and the only logical explanation is Bethesda thought it was cool so they loaded the game with it. There is no lore reason it should be there or be that common when it wasn't in any other cities the series has explored so far.

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You could be right but here

You could be right but here is my rebuttal.

1.  Power Armor was being developed at Fort Strong but it did not say where fabrication was located.  It could be Detroit but they did not say for sure which is a loophole for more Power Armor.

2.  Just because the West is the most logical coastline to attack doesn't mean the enemy would not attack from the East Coast in a two prong attack.  Submarine Aircraft Carriers and other service ships have been on the drawing board for years and given Fallout's Technology curve, it is probably more of a reality than not.  Heck, today's Chinese want to build a Heli-Carrier and good luck with that one!  The lift required would be astronomical, no one to crack/hack the designs from other than from Stan Lee, and will probably require a huge loss in armor unless they discover antigrav on higher scale than maglev.

3.  Lastly, maybe that is the reason why the Chinese (and now probably the Russians again) decided with Global Thermonuclear War.  There were too many Power Armor units all over the country and let's not forget the NRA.   That is the third prong protection for the US which would end up to be the Minutemen.  

There are too many loopholes to go either way.  As for BOS having all T-60s, remember this is strike force so this unit has been collecting for years to make this strike.  In which case, you want your top assets to invade.  With an armored airship imagined in Car Wars and Aeroduel, and that many veritbirds, you can collect all sorts of things real quick while protecting the mothership.

Personally, if you really want to get rid of the chances for Power Armor.  Make the cities more of a wasteland or have the power armor more rusted out after 200 years of Nuclear Winter.  Really, Boston looks like it was hit by limited exchange or by Neutron Warheads and not your Typical Hydrogen Warheads found on MIRVs.  Neutron Warheads kill through intense armor piercing radiation and leave structures standing.  Hydrogen Warheads are your typical destructive warhead.  

In addition, go back to characters that were not in the army or served as light infantry and not armored (hvy) infantry so they would not have a clue in the operation of power armor.

In the end, you all are probably correct, Bethesda just added all this fluff in to appease the hack 'n' slashers and not the diehard role players and it will take mods to create more of a role playing atmosphere.

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While there are faults in

While there are faults in this game, I have been enjoying the firefights more in this game than the previous two. 

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